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Svarrogh
began as a black metal band, but it has become something much more
idiosyncratic than that. Please describe how your interest in black
metal developed, and who the earliest black metal bands you liked were.
Were there any bands which specifically inspired the formation of
Svarrogh? What was it that attracted you about black metal – what did
you understand its central message to be? And what made you decide to
develop Svarrogh’s sound away from black metal towards a more
industrial-folk hybrid sound?
Well
actually I am not really up-to-date whats going on with any scene, but
I always like to pick up some great jewels - the last marvelous records
I heard were from Lunar Aurora, Urfaust and Drudkh. Of course every
single person is influenced by many different sources and other
inspirations, and it would be even better, if we all could stand
without influences, to create something own, but this is hardly
possible. Maybe I was kinda amazed by the eastern european pagan scene
at the end of the millenium. And to me dark and somber atmosphere in
music has always been like a red blossom for the bees. I would also
like to say, that Black Metal is not the only way to express darkness
and “negative” emotions, but it is indeed the most powerful and
hauntingly expression for me, if it is done good - deep, black abyss. I
really cannot stand all that melodic metal, and metal music itself is
nothing more but lifeless rock business and cheap entertainment.
Playing loud guitars and headbanging is not enough to create something
more than just music. That is the big problem with metal - most of
the people are musicians, but they are not artists and on the other
hand you see other music styles (for example neofolk) where most of the
people are artists, but they are not musicians. The best mixture of
those two elements is the basic for a good band. Back to your
question - between Black Metal and normal metal music should be an
abyss - why beeing a part of an music circus for the masses, who
just want to listen to aggressive music without any deeper intention,
about cogitations of unexplained emotions, death and transcendence. Svarrogh´s
sound changed because I felt the need of change and challenge, life is
too short to determine yourself only on one thing - I think we must not
wear blinkers.
The latest
Svarrogh album, Yer Su, though, has much more prominent black metal
tendencies than Balkan Renaissance or Temple Of The Sun. Do you feel
able to re-incorporate black metal into your music now that the point
has been made that Svarrogh isn’t simply a black metal band?
No,
I dont think so. You cannot declare everything Black metal only because
there is some fuzzy guitar and see how the little Gothic kids are
running away from a guitar riff. I said already, there are several
and very different elements to express the beeing of nature and the
earth. In the first albums the symbiosis of folk and black metal was
not satisfying for me and I cannot predict the future, we will see, but
Svarrogh is definetely not a black metal band.
I
believe that Svarrogh has always been basically your solo project,
although you have used lots of guest musicians on your albums and of
course you have a regular live line-up. Have you ever considered
forming Svarrogh as a regular band with other musicians, or are you
happy with it as a solo project?
Due to the fact that I
am playing in several other groups, I am really happy to have my own
thing, my own compositions and creations. Nevertheless, the people I
work with who are guests on the recordings always bring their ideas and
visions into the music and that is always very nice. It is also nice to
see, how other musicians are working on a special theme or lyrics I
have given to them before. As our live performances differ a lot from
the songs on the recordings - also due to the live musicians - you can
say that on stage we are working like a real band. Currently I am
looking for more musicians to extend the line-up.
Please
tell me something about your working methods – how a song is
constructed, the kind of technology you use, where you record etc.
I
have a very bad equipment, you cannot imagine what a cheap recording
technique I use, but the results are always good to my pretence. Here
at my home studio in Munich I record the basic instruments and
arrangements and do the mixing and mastering. For special effects, drum
recordings and synthies I use a proffessional studio of my ex-guitar
player Arioch. A song begins with yearning and ends with stress
and often with the mistake to overload it. I try to compose the
arrangements and not only to put different parts together. I try to
paint with the tones and sounds to create a music picture of
imagination. I try. However, mainly I compose on guitar or tamboura,
sometimes on piano. The construction of a song has to unforeseeable and
the contrasts of harsh and soft elements is important.
One
of the musicians you do a lot of work with is Gerhard from the Austrian
band Allerseelen, who did guest vocals on the Temple Of The Sun EP, and
who performs with you at live shows. You are also part of the current
Allerseelen live line-up. Can you explain how you started to work with
Gerhard, and how important he has been for Svarrogh. Did you, for
instance, start to release Svarrogh albums on the Austrian label
Ahnstern as a result of knowing Gerhard?
I can only
say, that Gerhard was and is a big help for Svarrogh with organisating
concerts and finding such a great label like Ahnstern for me. We
started to work more than 3 years ago, by an complete accident, after
huge antifa rumours of the Allerseelen concert in Rosenheim. He also
introduced me to a lot of people of the neofolk community.
You
also have a close association with the Bulgarian photographer and
designer HaateKaate, who has done the cover art for the last three
Svarrogh releases. How did that partnership happen?
Gerhard
introduced me to Katia (HaateKaate) after coming back from his trip he
made in Bulgaria. And we met last year for the first time on a festival
in Xanthi, Greece where she had an exhibition this year. She is a great
photographer and artist, maybe the best I know myself and also the one
with most magic visions on common things and situations. I rely on her
with all future Svarrogh artworks.
Are there any other people who have been very influential on Svarrogh?
Yes of course - all of the great and lovely guests helped me with the recordings and their crea(c)tive ideas.
What
are the key inspirations for the music of Svarrogh? Tell me about any
literature, art, history and philosophy which you feel has been
influential for Svarrogh. And of course, the Bulgarian landscape which
is referred to so often in Svarrogh songs.
Where should I
begin - first of all, every day passing is influencing me personally
and thus the music of Svarrogh. Previously my nostalgia to my
fatherland was the main source of inspiration and it still it is, even
though in another, more mature way. The wide thracian landscape, a
golden granary - the silent and solitude mountains Pirin, Sredna Gora,
Rhodopa, so wild and nearly untouched, the Black Sea during December,
the sleeping villages and the rural life of the people - a heritage
from my ancestors and a hommage to those through music and lyric. The
19th centurie´s balkan renaissance as a heroic and passionate fight of
the hayduks for culture and freedom - and so did all art and poetry
during this period, a fight with quilts and ink. I used a lot of works
of bulgarian writers like P.K. Yavorov (the last EP “After the shadows
of the clouds” was completely dedicated to his life), Ivan Vazov or
Elin Pelin. But also the ancient slavic and bulgarian mythology and heathen philosophy/spirituality is
a deep well for my music. As I am one of only few people who want to
combine slavic and bulgarian (bolg-aryan) traditions - the bulgarians
weren´t a slavic people, they were a asiatic horse-people from the
depths of the holy mountain Immeon (Pamir). The southern slavs with
their pantheon (which differs a lot from that of the northern and
eastern slavs, as it is more zoroastric) and the bulgarians with their
tangrism, a cult to the sky-god Tangra, shamanistic, however with an
own runic alphabet. You can say the first album “Baxas Xebesheth 1883"
was mainly slavic paganism, “Lady Vitosha” and “Kukeri”, bulgarian and
slavic mythology and heathendom, very strong spiritualistic and
esoterique, especially “Kukeri”, while “Balkan Renaissance” was
dedicated to the balkan art of the 19th century and “Temple of the
sun”, was a sun-cult oriented album with a lot of surealist and
symbolist lyrics.
Can you
describe the Bulgarian pagan mythology behind the Yer Su album,
including the album title itself. What does ‘Yer Su’ mean? What does
‘Svarrogh’ mean, come to that? What is ‘Tangrism’? What is the ‘Yer Su
rune’?
Yer Su means in
protobulgarian water-earth. It stands for the spirits of the ancestors
living on shores, in caves, rivers and forests. They represent together
with mother earth Umay - the earthern life and cosmos. While Tangra is
the eternal sky-god (Tan-sky, Nak-Human, Ra-God - and some researchers
apply Tan of a chinese origin T´ien and Ra of an old-sumeric one).
About the ritual practising of Yer Su, there is a huge lack of
documents. But sacrifices and small provisory altars were found among
rivers and caves while Tangra had its “own” official altars and
temples. Anyway, the main theme of Tangrism the eternal cosmic harmony,
which is the man´s duty to preserve - together with his powers and to
reach the wind horse Vihrogon towards the sky. About the rune - it
is not documented that Yer Su had a special symbol; the IYI is the
Tangra rune and later the symbol of the Dulo-clan, the first Khans
(kings) of the bulgarian Sarakt (Reich).
Many
ex-communist countries in central and eastern Europe have undergone a
great resurgence of paganism since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Has this happened in Bulgaria? These pagan revivals are also often
associated with ethnic pride, folk traditions and nationalist politics
– again, is this the case in Bulgaria? Do you have any formal
involvement in Bulgarian paganism?
Definetely many people
and groups in the eastern european countries develop nacionalistic
movements after 50 years of communist slavery - new national identites
wake up after a long rest. But in Bulgarian there is not a pagan
movement - this is taking place more in the slavic countries - in
Bulgaria there is a strong natinalistic movement. We dont have such
Neo-heathen festivals like in Lithuania or Russia, but our traditional
folklore festivals and Kukeri games are widely practicated and
supported.
You are currently
resident in Munich, Germany, and yet Svarrogh’s music is deeply
concerned with Bulgarian identity, landscape and culture. Is your music
essentially nostalgic for your homeland? Do you think your interest in
Bulgarian identity has actually intensified as a result of no longer
being there?
This is a very interesting question and I
think you are right. But the time is healing all wounds, even the
deepest - now I can look more clearly on these things and the nostalgia
does not take a big place in my mind. I visit my fatherland as often as
possible and I know that my heart belongs there and that some day I
will go back, but I love also Germany. On the other hand, if I would
live in Germany, I dont think I would have created such songs as they
are now in Svarrogh. But not only heritage and identity is very
important for Svarrogh, but also the surreal vision on nature, on
mankind and on our nests - the big grey cities we live in, the
industrial organism.
Do you
have any more releases planned for 2008? What about live performances?
Or compilation appearances? What about your other project, Miel Noir –
is there anything happening with that?
We are always
looking for opportunities for new shows and on 27th of September we wil
play at the Mediterranean Autumn Festival in Barcelona together with
Camerata Mediolanense, Arnica, Die Weisse Rose, Allerseelen and many
more. After that I think to give Svarrogh a little creative break to
concentrate on a triple Split CD with 2 great bands from Catalonia and
Greece - Arnica and Defile des Ames. The new songs will be very
powerful, but also very slow & somber, melancholic and with a more
simple instrumentation - just right to the point! The Eastern
Front Records are planning the first full length release of Miel Noir
called “Der Honigflügel” (the honey piano, but you can translate
“Flügel” also as “wing”) - it will be a very different album without
heavy drones, but with a lot of apocalyptic chanson piano.It will be
released on the live performance in Tel Aviv, January next year.
And I will also concentrate on the new albums of Sturmpercht and
Allerseelen, which have to be recorded this year.
Anything else you’d like to add?
Thank you, Simon, for your kind support - see you some day again somewhere. Stop the non-smoking madness!!!
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